February is usually the slowest month for freight, and carriers have been feeling the pinch on the spot market. Things usually start to pick up again around Marchwith new seasonal demand leading to a bump in prices.

This truck business is discouraging I recommend to not go into your own business. Just because rates are low doesn't mean taxes, permits, Insurane etc. I've invested my retirement money and the rates are so low we can't survive. It's been like this for months now. This is very disappointing we have worked so hard.

Tractor and flatbed are not payed for. It cost us How do they they stay in business? Bruh I'm in the same situation down here in Miami. I had 13k left in my bank acct after I got started but gotta keep going in it to survive. Chances are you are giving the profits of the run to the carrier to who you are leased. They find you cheap freight and they get theirs off the top and you end up with the crumbs left over.

If you are interested in running like I do let me know and I will try to help you. Hi Jon, I m also hardly covering the truck expenses. It will be immense helpful if you can give me few tips or could help me to find a profitable lane. Hey bud, going far east coast and northwest will pay tons of money even after produce season, which is the time of the year when the rates are the lowest.

Now coming back out of these places will be HELL, but none the less you'll get paid really well going in. Dallas to Seattle, OH to Seattle or OR. IN to CT or PA, even Upstate NY and of course NY island pays a ton.

You should not generalize things like that. At least that is my experience in 15 years I have been doing this. They are doing this at the expense of their drivers. The latter are the honest folks for the most part. Truck Drivers are the most powerful group of people in this country. An how many 'count me in' s did I see in the reply? Go to back of line. The fedgov, stategovs, insurance companies and mega carriers are bull sharks in the water.

They are in place to keep the ants from organizing so they can continue to run this country on cheap freight at YOUR expense. Keep on truck'n an see'n the country. How much per mile I can go try to get for the load rate per mile.

John, I run owner ops for a living. The brokers who we are forced to get most of freight from have take advantage of the slow in manufacturing. I try to under them at the customer level but its hard to compete when trucking companies are taking freight for 1. I'm an analyst for DAT and need to take exception to the above comment.

You can go to the publicly traded companies financials and look up the real ratio of purchased transportation to revenue. Sure, individual loads and cases may vary. We try to provide good tools and information to help drivers and small companies get a fair shake when dealing with the larger companies. Then why won't you make the brokers put the freight costs on their postings and the freight bills?

DAT is part of the problem, limiting transparency. Do you ask you car salesman how much the dealer bought the car for? Do you ask the grocery store how much the gallon of milk cost? What about your insurance agent? Do you ask him how much he makes off of you? The fact is that the 3pl is developing and maintaining relationships with carriers and rewarding the carriers that provide the best service.

If you want the 3PL to publish their rates I'm all for it. How about the carrier tells the 3PL what their profit is? Absurd statement from someone who clearly has an agenda. Guess what John B. Quick, if the established 3pl's go away, so would you. You didn't lose ! You lost a opportunity!! The trucking company and drivers always lose Do business direct with shippers. Everybody complains about brokers but there are more shipping companies than brokers.

Why can't you carriers on here call them directly? Is it easier to call a broker because you don't want to cold call? I don't think a name like broker killer is acceptable. Not every broker is bad and you know it just like not every carrier is good and honest. This industry will always have brokers. CHR and TQL ruined it for the rest of us. I doubt your sales guy can fly out to a new area and secure "return" business overnight.

Not only that, almost all shippers do not want to risk dealing with small-mid size carriers putting their business at risk checking insurances, CSA scores, accident liability, etc. The broker is not going away ever. BW, I have cold called tons of shippers. If you only have 1 or 2 trucks they don't even want to talk to you. Or they just say we just use brokers.

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It's not that simple to get your own loads directly from a shipper. I will never go away. You on the other hand, will die a slow and deliberate financial death at the hands of those who you work for.

I do have the answer. Chris, No, you do not ask your salesman how much the dealer bought the car for, but could if you wanted to. No, you don't ask the grocery the cost of a gallon milk, but could if you wanted to. No, you don't ask the insurance agent how the underwriter comes up with their monthly premium, but could if you wanted to. Now, why don't we ask? It is because we do not need to.

Things are feasible and affordable, therefore no one ask. Chris, not only would everybody be asking, you yourself would asking as well. That is how things work Chris. What we owners operators are saying it is that we are not getting our share fair of the deals, and somebody is screwing us. None of this would be an issue if rates are good and everyone is making money and surviving.

Take a look at what is going on today in our country, you think if things are good but would be seeking for new directions, asking questions with uncertainties of our futures. The answer to that Chris would be NO! It is because things are bad Chris. That is how things work, and the fact of the matter we are not getting the right answers when it comes to rate. So, yes we are in transition to figuring out why. We believe starting with DAT Solutions to commit brokers to post the shippers paying rate would disqualify from being a suspect to the problem.

Hence, we can shift our focus towards another directions, perhaps the shipper. Until then, we can only focus on the brokers Chris, because we do not do business directly with the shippers. So yes, if the American people felt that the cost of living are outrageously high, and they are not making enough money to survive in this hard economy.

Questions will be asked and responses will be demanded! So we are asking for questions and we want answers! Mark, Dat runs off the profits of brokers so your input means zero. Sticking up for your bread and butter. I am a carrier also. I run off my authority. I find my own freight and don't use brokers. I say let the scum sucking brokers die.

My email is jquick jonbquick. If the little guys band together, only then will we have a voice. I can't make money becauseCoyote Logistic took all my profit away and never pay Detention Time I wasted at Kellogg's Cary NC. Ben, The American Transportation Research Institute has produced their report now. It did lower it's number but not that much. You can go to their website and read their latest report on the costs of trucking.

The first part of the year was, ok. The fuel prices went down and the rates followed shortly there after. The fuel stopped going down but the rates kept going. Some companies were locked into the higher freight rates and they remained in effect until their contracts expired. That brings us to New negotiated rates and carriers scrambling to keep their customers all the while being under bid at every turn of the wheel. Yes I do sit to maintain my rate average. I will not pull cheap freight.

That only demonstrates that freight can be moved for that low of a rate. That reinforces, in the shipper's mind, that we are idiots and will haul anything they put out there. I bought my first truck in and yes I have made some pretty good contacts over the years. However, friends can only be pushed so far and they are not willing to give away the farm so I can pull good freight. I spend hours, sometimes days making phone calls to find my freight. It's hard work and you have to stay the course to make it work.

I know that you won't be doing it for long before you are flipping burgers at McDonalds or sacking groceries at "CHINA-MART". Mean while I'll just keep on doing what I do and laugh all the way to the bank. Hey buddy, I am in need of advice and i really would appreciate if you could give some to me regarding this field. I am fairly new to this business and i don't want to make a big mistake.

I think we should be able to get what we deserve for trucking OTR all over the country as the back bone of this country, but sadly I noticed that most truckers are the last to be rewarded.

In fact, we do all the work. What would be your advice to me pls? Yes, 1, miles and more, but only about 60, miles per year.

I can tell you now as a broker that we just booked a load from a customer of which some of you who only haul and don't make time to cold call and qualify companies for more business like what you should be doing during the slow time That is not allways the case. Y call my dispatch every day and he puts me on speaker wile we try to find a load. I can acctually can hear the deals going down not to mention i get my confirmation in my email a sec after hanging my phone.

Trust me evrything is so bad rite now i wanna cry sometimes. The problem is your dispatcher and who he is calling for loads. He isn't doing a good job for you. He needs to do better. I would be very excited to learn some of your insight, 'cause it sounds like you know what you are doing, and those rates you are getting are pretty awesome, given the market conditions. I appreciate any help.

I am in the process of forming a broker through a group of independents contractor here in FL. I will like to share with you. I sold my truck in It made me sick. The industry took an ugly turn. And you are on target.

But I think with the right insight, a successful plan can be made. Sadly, there is more greed in this business and the haulers pay the price. I love trucking, but you have to be on your game to outwit these business practices. I would love to here some smart ideas and statagies. I set my rates, as does the grocery store sets their prices for the groceries you buy. You are the one with the truck. If you haul cheap freight it's on you. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to accept cheap loads.

Your finances are holding a bazooka to our head. If wheels aren't turning, fixed costs don't vanish when trucks are parked. Ins, reg, veh loan if applicable. Hey I have been out of the game for about 3 months and today was my first day back, can anyone help me out and give me some good lanes to run my trucks, I really need to get back and pick up where I left off but its going to take time to adjust and I would really love some help Jon, I saw your reply.

Can you help at all. Do you have any information about doing hotshots with a pickup and a goose neck trailer. I was thinking about buying one and I don't know how to get started.

I'm a company driver. Are you using a load board sir? If so let me know if you can. This time of year where the brokers are keeping our money, as they say less freight same amount of trucks makes it a broker game your best bet is to set a goal of what you'd like to clear for the week and work it that way. Don't haul a damn thing for free, though that's a whole other issue with this industry is there is actually dumbazzes out there doing it making it even harder for the rest.

Hello- I see this e-mail chain goes back 1 yr. Greatly appreciate it, Thanks Jenny. Hi Jon, I'm looking to buy my first tractor and I'd like to speak with you. Can you please get in touch wit me? Need some good paying loads. About to go under. I run a 53' Reefer. I am looking to learn or how to bid for myself for spinner Vans and cargo vans for 48 by 48 skids.

Robyn, Not sure how long you have been in this. Many people thinking of getting into trucking think this is a good way to make a living, however it's just the opposite. With things like deregulation in NAFTA which happened during the Clinton years Fuel sky rocketing for years and all other expenses going up and rates dropping like rocks. However if you're losing a day just sitting, then hang it up That in it's self is someone who hasn't a clue of what's going on with their truck.

This is a direct result of trucking Comp,s. Taking loads at any price. This is to includedfuel, wagesloans. Vets are being exploited ,along with so many others and duped into contracts that are nothing less ,than a total SCAM. Brokersare doing what they are aloud to doif you take cheep freight then you get what you get!!

My advice, DON'T GO east of OHIO ,OR!! Good luck, ive been at this for 44yrs. Amen to that brother! We have to work together to maintain leverage. Do not haul cheap load for the sake of it, if you are going to do that you're better off punching the clock in at some local job. How can your load to truck ratios be taken seriously when the users of DAT know that brokers post loads 15 to 20 times and even more, and you as an organazation does nothing to curb it.

You should monitor the comments and try to make your data more accurate. Sounds good on Sirius Radio but the users know its a joke and Road Dog Radio sounds like fools. Paul, it's true that brokers sometimes refresh or even re-post loads when they have a hard time finding a truck. That inflates the load-to-truck ratio, and the rate usually goes up, too.

There are also carriers who never post their trucks at all. It all adds up, so the load-to-truck ratio describes the level of pressure in that market. Lots of loads and not enough trucks? More pressure, a higher load-to-truck ratio, and rising rates.

Not enough loads and lots of trucks? The load-to-truck ratio goes way down, and rates tend to fall. Right now, the ratio for vans is 1. We wish it were better, and we hope that conditions will improve in March, which is coming soon.

Load boards should make the loads posted show the price paid for the load. This way they can be compared to what else is posted easily.

Part of the problem is most drivers don't have a clue what it costs to own and operate an 18 wheeler. Therefore they don't recognize they are even hauling cheep freight. Jon, You're an idiot. You may have 15 yrs and I have 15 more.

By you telling people you average 2. I have 3 questions. Are you pulling van reefer flat etc etc? And what is your ratio of direct freight versus broker freight?

And don't go telling people you can help them achieve your same success, when the fact is you ain't doing any better then anybody else. People like you give this industry a bad name. I pull a stepdeck. I don't use scum sucking brokers, because they are an unnecessary part of an antiquated system. So, Bob, take a deep breath and listen and learn and you do have a lot to learn. Folks, you can listen to bob and believe you are all doomed.

So, you might as well quit trucking or listen to me, because I'm telling you the freight is out there and you to can be hauling it. So, what do you have to loose email me and listen to what I have to say. Hearing me out will cost you nothing. OR Listen and believe what bob is telling you. I makes no difference to me.

Here's my thoughts on the whole blasted crap and yes I hope brokers are reading this. We are all to aware the fuel prices have fallen but the million dollar question remains, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH LINE HAUL RATES? If I hear it once a day I hear itfuel is down, fuel is down. I'm intelligent enough to do the math, a load I carried last week that paid Brokers are pocketing an excessive amount of money and for what, sitting behind a desk answering a telephone.

I invite you inside one of our trucks for one week and you'll be crying like a baby to get out and back to your job. So lets say they take Times that by lest just say 10 a day, that agent made We the drivers work 14 DOT hours but you factor in your 10 down and your at Once you get past swallowing that crap factor in detention, more and more detention is getting less or is it?

Well now its 3 free or 4 free maybe you get Where is that money going, of course the broker is taking it. Lets get it straight, truckers make the world go round, they keep us functioning in everyday life. Nothing you possess, use etc daily would be there if a trucker didn't provide its transit. It needs to stop but it won't as long as truckers keep letting the greed of others take food of their tables. No one can hold shippers, receivers, brokers and their agents accountable but we the truckers, stop taking loads for pennies on the dollar, I can promise you one thing, if truckers would banned together, park for a couple of days not weeks you'd see a decline in the greed.

What's one of the excuse the use for rate dropping, supply and demand?

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Demand to be paid to supply your service. Brokers, in case you haven't been told the only thing down is fuel.

Not the cost of tires, repairs, ins. Hell, not even the cost of products we transport then purchase. Anyone seen prices go down in the grocery store? I have been brokering freight for 17 years, it seems as though truck drivers think brokers have endless amount of freight to post up and "skim" large profits from. Let me clarify, I spend 's of hours a year providing pricing to customers in an attempt to be awarded business or "loads to move". If you want to band together and put an end to cheap freight stop moving loads for TQL, CH Robinson, and the like These A holes present such cheap prices to customers because you all haul it for them!

I've shipped freight out of High Point, NC to the Detroit, MI market for the last few years, miles I pay I charge the customer About 9 months ago, TQL came in and quoted the customer The customer is obviously going to go with cost savings although they had no issue paying I agree with ya'll, STOP taking cheap freight, it affects the legitimate brokers as much as carriers!

I won't give cheap prices to customers just to spend my entire day trying to find the one sucker who just "wants to keep the wheels turning" I also have to say that many carriers are to blame because they will haul loads Dec -Feb for 1. If everyone stayed consistent with price we would all be better off!

A van cost as much as a stepdeck. The freight rate should be based on cost to own and operate. Van freight should be the same as stepdeck freight as well as a flatbed. Go to ATI's website and read their report on the OWNING and OPERATING COSTS OF AN 18 WHEELER. Man your pulling numbers from on cost to operate Right now todayit cost us about 1. We run a volvo with an box behind it, cost to operate is a little less than 1.

These are my numbers they might not be yours. Also this artical is talking about vans not flats or steps, but you keep bragging about the symantec stock options you getting for a step deck, I can believe that you get 2. I too was the 1st one to blame the broker as well when I drove. However during the beginning of my career, I would book a load with a broker today and go to get paid and they were here today gone tomorrow.

That doesn't happen much anymore. CH is the forex trading procedure. I hear through the grapevine as well these kids sign paperwork as well. Stating any new business they sign managed forex forex accounts uk not their customer.

So as a agent for these companies you are not even building your own book of business This is just a cut throat business Period If fuel goes down so do rates. Most rates I quote are a all in rate. Like they did in the 80s or whenever.

Litterally blocked all lanes of traffic on the highway. The big companies are on a mission to put us out of business. I own my truck and trailer. Most of you make some valid points. The replicating a put option carriers are paying off the government to get rid of guys like me, so that we can lease on to their company or become their company driver. This ELD mandate plays a major part.

We run independent to stay away from all that crap, now they are forcing it on us. Small brokers will be affected as well. SHEA ANDREWS, you have hit the nail on the head. I still made a little less than my old company job by hard years end. I was fighting and holding out for rates to get better then. These rates today have tempted me to give up but I'm not a quitter.

I stand up for myself almost daily just to be left stranded multiple times. My heart drops along with my jaw. How can we get organized and gracefully stand up for ourselves? Well I've bill poulos forex income engine it time and time again but no one listens or would actually do.

To make a stand and our voices be heard we would have to park the trucks for a couple of days and if you don't do that start rejecting the low rates the brokers are pushing. Everyone thinks it won't hurt them they'll just call on the bigger companies, guess what makes up the bigger companies owner operators who have leased on to them.

I have a friend that leased to one of the bigger companies telling me he was still making over 2. I know this company as they have approached me 3 times.

I've heard there unicorn stories. Yes, he might be making 2. So why work up under someone else? What is it really saving you at the end of the day?

So many things need to change in the industry, shippers, receivers need to be held accountable for our time delays. You want your stuff delivered on time or there is a fine imposed but you want to eat up 4, 6 hours of my aloted DOT stock market will bull returns follow a normal distribution loading and off loading.

Walmart DCs are the worst, 4 hour off load time before detention sets in says some brokers, not Walmart. Guess who is getting your detention money majority of the time they wait 3 hours and 45 mins before they off load you it cash earn income mangosteen xango xanthone 30 mins to off load you have 15 mins detention. Well hello mister broker my DOT hours are shot.

Actually had a broker tell me truckers keep food telstra call forward business phone there trucks just in case they get hung up somewhere, this on the tail end of a load being picked up racing to get it there at 9pm cause the receiver needed the product.

Get there before 9pm to find trucks lined up 8 deep and 5 across, take a number check the board ever two hours.

You didn't stop to eat on your way there cause they needed to product, you get there and there is a port-a-jon for you to use, you can't get out of line, you can't even nap.

Your 9pm appt turns into you get off loaded at 8: Little Ms Thang, do you keep food at your desk and use a port-a-potty or do you get a lunch break, get up walk around stretch your legs, eat a hot meal? Bet you go home to your family every nite or friends and have a hot meal. I'm over the disrespect truckers get and yes I've been fighting back. I've been calling them out left and right, asking where the money is, breaking it down when I get the bullcrap lines they've been instructed to read off.

No I do not carry someone else crap for pennies on the dollar, you will not load my trailers to the gills with 45,lbs and try to pay me a 1. Yes, I do know equity stock brokers (u) ltd a fact that the only currency messenger forex peace army that is down is fuel, which means that they are pocketing more of the line haul money to make up for fuel being cheaper, because a The gig is up, its not supply and demand, its not fuel is less its GREED!

Stop the game playing with the truckers while trying to cut the next Broker House's throat. If you want to get really really mad, look up the financials on what CH Robinson made last year alone.

If that don't lite a fire under our butt you need to get out of trucking. Shea, I guess u have it all figured out, right?? Well riddle me this If brokers are making such high margins and screwing the truckers out of detention ect.

I'll tell you why genius GREED! The only thing u have said with any merit to it that makes since is CH Robinson u left out TQL financials last yr. You want to know why??? Let me give you a little math lesson. Shippers give them the freight because they blow most respecting brokers and most certainly most truckers prices out of the water.

DUMB TRUCKER takes freight because they get quick paid with little or no cost and keep the wheels on the bus going round. And the big keep getting bigger while u bicker about parking trucks and "GREEDY BROKERS" Want to really stir the define cmp in stock market Have u and all your buddies stop taking freight from them for a few weeks!!!!!

Customers get pissed at them, they loose accounts, rates go up and everyone is happy Actually I have not taking this cashway kearney nebraska paying freight. I work hard that at the end of the week the money out ways total miles run.

My thing is and if your trucking no load load pays The math says fuel dropped Where is that The way it works is line haul plus FSC. It is presented that way from sales rep to prospective costumer with Contracts between trade uk stocks singapore days to 1 or 2 years.

Line haul money stays at fixed rate of length of contract, FSC is what fluctuates. There are brokers out there that do all in showing no break between line haul and FSC. You do the math subtract FSC to get your line haul rate. I've watched my trucks go from clearing Dead head cost money too and we have to span from 50 to up to to catch a load. Brokers were helping with deadhead but not now. Where is the money? The answer is to quit driving a van.

There is too much downward pressure on their rates. Believe it or not a van cost as much a a stepdeck. The difference is that stepdeck freight is around 2. My advise is to pull a step deck for someone who can keep you busy with quality freight.

If you have to go home more than once every 6 weeks that may be costing you more than you think, depending on where you live. Understand what it costs to OWN and OPERATE an 18 wheeler.

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Their truck and trailer costs as much as mine. Their costs are equal to mine, yet one of us is making money and the other is not. How do you explain that? If you are not making the money you think you should make in this industry, it's time you make a change. Go to their website and read how they came up with that number. It jived with my accounting to the penny. So I knew my costs were in order with the national average.

I then knew it was the freight I was hauling that kept me from making money. Jon B, There u go again throwing out that 2. I am the carrier. I am leased to my self. If everybody ran on their own authority there would be earn money livemocha way for the Feds or "Big Trucking and the brokers to control us or the rates. I prove it month after month.

Call me I have given you my phone number and I am willing to help all who will listen. Well there are a few hard truths that need to be considered. The oil industry was [destroyed] and there are tons of US start up companies that invested in the oil US industry going out of business. This means all the support industries will take a hit. There is a trickle down effect. Long as our economy suffers like this it will get worse.

On top of this there are trucking companies with a pool of "slave labor. The driver really owns nothing and is treated like a coolie on 18 wheels. Even how much money do petroleum geologists make companies love that revolving door of drivers coming and going.

They really do love it. Tax breaks for training and reimbursements from states to help pay the new drivers. Once the incentives are gone for the driver For trucking appreciation day how about some real PSA advertisements on TV or other real activities iphone option calculator app educate the general public.

They can take the trucker appreciation bottles of water, bracelets and cookies and stuff em where the sun dont shine. Lately when i hear gas is going down, i would like to say [something rude] but i hang up instead!!

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I had to close my first company i had since 07 because some idiot side swiped my driver Make money doing referrals never had a accident before and our premium almost doubled I cant take much longer of these games they play WE have to come together i am IN if anyone wants to get in touch please email me!!

Guys this is a simple issue. And TQL can do this by hiring the most scum companies in the US. And they have gotten away with this for years ftse 100 trading strategies. I am young owner operator.

The same load i begged the driver not to take but he had to get to SC to go get his new trailer. He was pnb forex inc upset, he says customers know brokers take money of the top but they dont need to know how much THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL!!!!!!! Grow your assistance up 3 or 4 days will not hurt to shut these truck down some them we good time to buy groupon stock business.

I've seen many times a load starts out being posted at I call and tell them I'll do it for They tell me the customer won't pay that much and they are only making I say no and keep looking. An hour later it's So what happened to the customer won't pay that BS lies by these greedy brokers. And please don't tell me your loosing money on the load just to get it covered.

I don't pay to do a load just to keep the truck moving. Most times when brokers post loads for a rate, and you see it increase by day's end - that is the broker actually losing money on the load but he needs to cover it to keep the customer happy.

I've done this and will keep doing this if I have to. I will never give a load back to a customer because you never know if they'll call you again.

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If you think brokers are making hundreds on every load - then quit trucking and join a brokerage and see the truth. Also, if you are upset over the brokers being "greedy" paying you a cheap rate while earning free cafeworld cash charging an astronomical figure to the shipper, then why don't you call the shipper directly? If you don't like the industry then get out of it and find another job.

BW, your commit cracks me up. I've actually dealt with an agent by the name of BW with TQL. Anyways, You know for a fact there are loads that you guys make s of dollars on. Bse stock market news today DOUBLE BROKERING but its happening more hands in the pot. My customer will pay me a rate of and yes I've called on said broker to find they are taking I could expose the broker and the company but I will not but in saying that please don't come into a conversation gdr meaning stock market act like what the carriers complain about isn't fact.

I've broke it down once and I'll break it down again in case you didn't get the memo. A brokerage house sends a sales rep out that snags a lane for x amount of dollars line haul plus FSC which fluctuates. So he tries to pay This was the rate on said south texas cattle market report for 2 mouths but next week this lane is Maybe you the agent didn't make s on that one load, maybe the sales rep didn't make 's on that one load but the brokerage house you represnet did make 's on that load and that's 's on how many loads a day each agent moves.

Carries are confined to, we can only haul 1 load strategy with candles in binary options day, 1! If he blows a tire not cheaper cause fuel is down is the broker paying for it? If he gets an over weight ticket as we all know most of the places don't allow you on the dock and they will def over load you is the broker paying for? If he has mechanical issues need of diesel mechanics on the rise and fees haven't decreased because fuel went down is the broker paying for?

If road side service is needed rates also up not down is the broker paying for? The answer is, Singapore stock exchange broker and we out here are all to aware its the cost of being in the industry but our overhead can not be compared to Brokerage Houses.

As for your silly commit on losing money on a load, brokers don't lose they set a game in motion think you referred to it as you truckers taking loads at 1. How about this, instead of game playing we just set a far rate across become in market millionaire stocks board, 2.

Sounds great to me, then the only throats brokers would be slashing would be each others, on who gets the customer. I love all these numbers and this place sends out sales people and the sales people get this and the agent gets that then the broker gets their cut I drove over 20yrs. Then by all means come to the other side and broker or become an agent you bunch of cry babies. How about when us the broker forwards you your money first I forward my carriers their checks as soon as I invoice their paperwork 15 days is average But guess what I don't receive payment for that same load for 45 or 60 days.

Then what happens uk forex bank details we forward you the driver your money and we the broker don't get paid at all for that same load. You the driver pick it up and deliver it 5 decimal reviews for binary options system point a to point b and yes you guys have expenses just like I have expenses and we the brokers are the ones paying you guys to keep you guys going.

I've heard them all every excuse in the book why you excepted a load and now a couple hours before it's supposed to be picked up on why you can't get it I'm intrigued and interested? When it comes to hauling loads thru brokers how is the carriers the cause of their failure? I'm being serious not a smartass. I think that most of us small carriers are trying to run "summer miles" in winter.

This week I sent a van out of NW Arkansas to Atlanta with 5 drops for our direct customer. He reloaded Atlanta right back to NW Arkansas, this truck averaged 1. No doubt we could have done more miles, but remember its a slow time of year and we all have to understand that whether you a company owner, company driver or an owner operator.

Yea its not much of a week, but we made a little, and remember it's not summer yet. Shea I do not work for TQL and never will but you don't need to tell me how I make a living just like you don't have to use brokers to get business. If you're as smart as you like to think then call on shippers yourself and quit hauling brokered freight. Yes you know how this game works good for you. If you don't like it then get out or join the other side of the playing field.

It's not that hard man. Sorry you're how to make kaju katli recipe making as much as you think you deserve and I'm sorry you have this stigma towards brokers because we are good salesmen who negotiate and provide for ourselves and families.

I myself pay fairly I just paid 2. Have a nice day being negative. I'll pass on becoming a broker or broker agent as one of the job requirements is to lie, lie, and lie some more maybe good candidates for Congress or the Hillary camp either way I'll pass. Also I'm sorry that you view the truth forex trading academy in india review being negative but my momma always said the truth hurts.

Congrats on paying 2. And before you get all sideways about, "I guess truckers don't lie" I can't speak for them but I can for myself and no sir I have never lied to a broker, a driver, a shipper or receiver. I've never fallen off a load to take a better paying load and lie about it. Matter a fact, I've only come off one load in the last 5 years and it was because the load moved to a different move date and it wasn't paying enough to start with to sit and wait on it.

Actually one of the job requirement is to have a college degree. The fact is that if you were a "great salesman", you wouldn't be driving a truck. Whats the ROI that means return on investment FYI on calling on a customer for 3 years and finally winning freight year 4? I would love it if carriers and drivers would start doing that. You know what would happen?

The 3PL would win more business. Do you follow market trends? My MC in mid 90's. Learn to use the tools of your trade properly or face ultimate failure and a lesson learned.

You're a funny boy, Chris. First let me start by saying I hold 2 College Degrees. One in Business and the other Psychology. Secondly, I don't drive a truck, I own the Company so I got singapore work from home mums Business Degree and I'll raise you on your behavioral issues of which I guess they didn't cover in your Business Degree courses.

The men and women in this industry that chose to drive should be shown more respect than what they are, they carry a lot upon their shoulders transporting the things that we all need to get by in life, having to navigate those on the highway that have no respect for the 18 wheelers they drive, the pressure of getting things from point A to point B, safely and in a timely fashion. Most importantly, they leave their families behind for weeks at a time to provide for them, they sacrifice time from their families, missing ball games, school plays or maybe just sitting at a table sharing a meal and hearing about their children's day at school.

I'm self employed for a reason, to not have to put up with being xforex affiliate like a number can you buy penny stocks without a broker paycheck will be issued to and the guys that I work with did you hear me, work with not work for me are treated with high importance, they are valued for the jobs they do and guess what I work really hard to make sure they're home every weekend.

I didn't spend 's of dollars on a Business Degree to push others a side as if they don't matter, the view them as beneath me because I hold a degree or 2, to use them as stepping stones to fat bank account.

I also didn't spend 's of dollars on a Psychology Degree to not call a spade a spade when its warranted. It's apparent you and guys like you are a big part of whats wrong in the industry. Take your 85, dollar degree and try putting to use in helping others and not just your bottom line, I think you'd fine it more how much money can a freight broker make. Take those skills you learned and fight for those that keep your job relevant. Stop expecting a low life driver to color outside the lines of their coloring books to move your contracted freight for pennies on the dollar, make shippers and receivers take accountability for the time they hold these drivers up.

I could name so many other things that you guys could do to make this industry great but I'm afraid the whole thread is falling on def ears, as you made it very clear in your opening that because you hold a degree you're much smarter than some dumb old truck driver.

Shea, the brokers on this thread can hold shippers accountable and try to get rates that pay more per mile so you guys can survive but the moment we try that, they'll move on to the next cheaper person. There will always be a cheaper broker like there will be a cheaper truck. The way our companies are set up is if we don't hit a certain threshold per week, month or whatever we get fired and they bring in some recent college graduate to fill our seat and call on the customer we went out and fought for.

I'm sorry to say it I really am but let's face it we are all out for ourselves. You provide for your drivers and I provide for my family. In my previous job I provided for a team of mechanics and if I didn't up sell things, they didn't get paid sort of the same situation you are in in the aspect of you bring the money for others in your company.

Someone pointed out earlier that the main driving force behind all of this is the economy and ultimately supply and demand. If consumers aren't spending their cash then shippers don't need trucks as bad aka rates fall. Not to mention the fuel bottomed out but looks like it might be rising idk.

You have responded to his comment way better than I could have. I myself is a college graduate who also hold two degrees, a sergeant in the armed forces, an 88M. I have highly respect for trucker drivers, I viewed them as equally as those who serving our nation. Thanks to ungrateful American such as Chris, we are viewed as a nobody. When in fact, those who stand in the line of defense, and those sitting behind the wheels are what make this country go around.

There is no such thing as a "Good Salesman" Most "Salesman" are crooks. And how about you brokers get out of the industry. I despise MIDDLE MEN. Like in the music industry They don't sing, they can't dance, they don't play an instrument They take the real talent and manipulate.

Most of them have never been in a truck. Also it's not my fault you're restricted to how many loads you do a day. Get more trucks or be a broker and find your own business. Youre assuming because I'm a broker that I lie how is that fair? I moved a Cleveland to Houston, TX for that rate just so you know. I'm leaving now to drive the expensive car you assume I drive back to be palatial estate you assume I drive because you assume I make hundreds on ever load.

You're dumb and ignorant. I've seen it happen. BW, give it a rest and stop displaying how hurt you really are. I love my job and the drivers I work with would be the first to tell you, I'm no holds barred when it comes to taking crap from anyone especially a broker. I'm not rich, who is these days if your a carrier but I will fight you and anyone else in the industry over my drivers. I will sacrifice my pay to provide for my drivers. Of course not, cause all you see is the money you are killing it on right now, not the actually families of these drivers that provide your damn greedy paycheck.

Remember this little buddy without carriers you don't have a job, with carriers the world stops turning. You like everyone else in the industry should be thanking carriers for the jobs they do providing everything you need to live. As for your comment on my miserable job, my company will be just fine why because I eat little punk boys with over the top egos like you for breakfast and go on about my day. And yes you are a broker so you are a liar You lie to customers on how much it will cost, you lie to truckers on how much you can pay I worked for 2 years under a firm that was leased on to Landstar So the more i skimmed of the top the more i made!!!

SOOOOOO You wanna try again?????????? Thanks Sam for being honest. Don't like that this happens, I know that it does but can respect you telling the truth. Most brokers will post loads early 3 or 4 days in advance. Robert that"s not what I've been seeing or hearing over the last 3 months.

Yes some may post early with some crazy low rate and when you try to book it at a fare rate the response is, "sorry they want let me book at that rate now, we still have a couple of days to work on it" "sorry we have a "bid in for Can you do it for That is where the carriers are at fought in this, stop taking damn freight dirt cheap by doing so you're hurting us all.

OK Guy's, we are digressing. We should be focusing on how we can make more money. I don't care how much the brokers make as long as I am receiving what I want for my services. After all, I take the lion share of the risk and do most of the work to get the loads delivered. Everyone has made some good points.

The broker guys can try to justify their existence, I really don't care about them. We do need to learn how to cut out the middle man THE BROKER and put his money in our pockets. That's how I have increased my income and rate per mile. I would be happy to discuss how I'm doing this with you guys on a one on one basis.

The American Transportation Research Institute published technicle papers regarding operational costs of trucking. Copy and paste the following link to read the report. Personally I dislike the game and it would do us all well if a fare flat rate was paid to carriers year round no to everywhere.

Then the loads you get are based on the job you do. I'm good with just letting the brokers fight it out amongst themselves to who gets the customers. But hey I'm being to logical to how this should work, keeping people honest and greed to a minimum would be asking to much from people who live for the dollar. Look I've got a slightly different viewpoint. I do not believe brokers are to blame. I think that shippers are just taking advantage of the market right now because you have allowed them to.

I have tried unsucessfully to get drivers to stand together for some time. For reasons of being uneducated. Also because the pool that was created just for that reason. When hired by large trucking the idea was to find those who would spin the wheels off when asked then sit without compensation when coerced to.

In other words the least likely to challenge authority. The slightly more inteligent secure consistent customers and think they are imune. But as those of us with experience will attest when that account goes south and it allways does its devastating to the small company many do not recover. How do I know? When large companies posted contract rates van rates dropped.

In retaliation by shippers who could. The answer I believe is to pursue those avenues that are resistent like renting trailers, Et. Where you get paid up front. Be ingenius figure it out. Don't follow the herd. They will lead you to slaughter, they have no back bone and never will. Rates will rise when the economy rises because theirs still a driver shortage.

When circumstsnces are no longer in the control of shippers. Actually then it will be the reverse. If you want to stay in the game you will have to survive until then. Yes try to avoid low pay areas.

Thats like sitting only worse. Run team if possible because of the hos rules that are inevitable. The big guys are doing likewise only they have millions to hold them over and as you say their management ethic is still the same. Treat them like animals because they don't deserve better is their motto.

When you are in a position where you can survive the loss of a major account or get paid up front the rest is meaningless. So how do we all get together and have a strike? We wont haul for these prices.

Any ideas on how to get those people who will move freight for pennies and underbid your rates stop doing it?

Will they actually join the movement? We can talk about it all day, and argue and bring up valid points, but at the end of the day, nothing will change, unless we all unite and just not take their freight or go on strike. So I've been doing at bit of inquiring with some agents a use a lot some I think are being honest as they are allowed on recorded lines.

With that being said produce is right around the corner and usually rates go up and the game that is played becomes a carrier game but I'm being told they don't see rates going up unless fuel goes up, I call BS on that part. What I really see happening is its fixn to get real as produce carriers aren't sitting for hours for free and run out of FL for less than a buck a mile. The brokers have been ripping carriers harder and harder as each week passes and they know they have.

Load from Wagram NC to Jacksonville FL drop from to yet FSC went up. The gig is fix'n to blow up!

I'm asking because I've just separated from a freight carrier I was working with and have a few big accounts here in Los Angeles and I was trying to decide what to do with them I don't know anything about this business I've learned a lot these past few days reading forums.

I was brought in because of all my internal connects with a few companies shipping department I'm from the medical field. I'm Not sure if this is the business for me. I know for local rates L. To Van Nuys they charged Yes, I know that's an outrageous rate, but they always got paid!

Back to why I'm here, not sure if I want to become a broker, would like some feedback, help or suggestions on other alternatives. I'm getting tired of being woken up at 3a. Lol, I have business but no trucks! I've read a lot of the comments and there's pros and cons with any profession. No small business owner out there will tell you operating a business is easy, regardless of the industry. The key is diversifying your operations.

I worked with brokers, I had contracts with large chain retailers, subcontracted to large carriers, and I subcontracted to Independents who had contracts. I also ran vans, stepdecks, car carrier trailers, and reefers. If you look at any successful business, they are diverse in their operations. Also, customer relations is key, go above and beyond.

Don't just transport the load, build a rapport with your clients whether it's the shipper, the receiver, broker, or other drivers in the lounge. One of the least expensive ways of growing your business is through word of mouth. I was able to get one of my contracts with a major retailer because I knew someone who knew an insider with the company. I was able to meet with the Transportation Director dressed appropriately who extended a contract to my company within a week.

I saw a lot of talk about CH Robinson who I've dealt with unfortunately. Yes they do offer low rates for freight and I often refuse their initial rate and seek more. Understanding your business and how to keep it operating in the green is not always about focusing on that high paying load or loads, it's about understanding the big picture. One thing for sure your business won't succeed if those wheels are not turning. Too much competition in this industry driving rates to cut throat levels.

No such thing as backhaul rates, cmon. I hear it all the time, "oh, its a backhaul price", what does this truck drive on special roads that cost less in fuel, so you pay cheaper? It's another excuse to keep these prices lower. If we all push back and refuse these cheap loads, maybe a driver after all expenses can make a little more than min wage, but doubt that's going to happen. My definition of a 'backhaul' rate is the lower leg between point A and B.

One example is between Philadelphia and Buffalo. Rather than get emotional about the term, I'd advise getting educated about how rates behave.

Understand one thing, rates are subject to market forces so no two lanes behave the same but many lanes behave in a similar fashion. Most markets except Miami have at least one head haul lane. For example, Denver to Albuquerque can pay head haul rates. Who is leading this group? This is a setup for failure. Open up your eyes guys survival of the fittest and you clearly have the upper hand use it. Park those trucks and watch the change take what your due.

Key-stoning is the key to pricing your service to maintain profitability. Take your operating cost and double it, that is your service price -what you charge per mile to cover your operating cost truck and trailer payment, truck and trailer maintenance, insurance, taxes, fuel, driver pay etc This is just the way you run a business -for profit. Now many will post back that that's all good on paper and in reality you can't get those rates. Well what I've just outlines is for a reason, it's to show the systemic problem: All without having direct shippers to work with.

Don't get into trucking because your dumb and figure since you can't find any other job but know how to drive a truck that you should get in the game when you can't figure out operating cost, and know how to price your service, and know how to keep the associated cost down. The primary killer is buying too much truck when market rates suck. Build a direct book of business with the mom and pops, and mid size shippers in your base area. If you didn't know -the large shippers can't afford to manage their capacity and waste their time with companies that only have one truck.

That's why they rely on larger carriers with more than 5 trucks and brokers to handle their capacity. Build relationships with Brokers. You need them when you are away from your base area.

They have visibility and access to loads you can't see. So when it comes to shippers and brokers, they know what the transportation operating cost is on a per truck basis and what the associate profit margins are. They have the capital and all the sophisticated software programs to perform pricing analysis -this gives them the competitive edge.

That you need to cover your operating costs and also make a profit. The key is to have a balance of shippers and brokers, and only run to make a profit. And do it running less miles and making great profit. If that means keeping the truck parked until you get your rate then do so. And you should be able to cover the fixed expenses when the truck is not running -short of that get out of trucking. So stop crying about everybody running cheap freight and forcing you to go out of business.

Get a full time job that pays better than trucking. Only run your truck when rates soar and use part time drivers. Then you need to go out of business because to be in business you have to create business and that involves building relationships.

If you suck at dating and marriage then you will suck at being successful in trucking -plain and simple. So for shippers and brokers this means more money in their pocket. Shippers know what rate they want to pay for a load and that rate is different than what their sophisticated software tell them.

Let the shippers pay the brokers on top of the truck rate. That's how it's supposed to work. Short of that don't cry, don't blame the broker. Oh -you can't sue them because the trucking industry is deregulated. Vote for government regulation in such a critical industry and rates will soar and everyone will will make money. If we could only get the dumb owner operators to park their truck until they realize how to do business we'd be okay. You put the nail on the coffin. It's that simple stop running when you are not getting paid.

You are too concerned meeting your bills and payments, that you will run as long as your expenses are cover. With social media, it will not cost you a dime to get the word out there. You will see just how that one day, affects their business in relatively compare to yours. It's not even a comparison, they will feel the pain more than you will.

Before you know it, week into it, rates will go up drastically. To conclude, all this is possible, it's a matter of whether you have the gut or not to park your truck. You have to take a risk in order to gain something. The greater the risk the greater the reward. Due to an overwhelming response to this thread, it is my plan to take on 5 new owner operators. This effort is based on economic markers I have spotted in the industry.

With the political climate the way it is our industry is ripe for expansion. Wall Street experts agree. The Fortune Trucking Companies have been posting record profits and even though we only have access to the crumbs left behind, some of those crumbs are highly profitable.

If you are interested in running with an outfit who knows the business and only hauls good freight, please call the number below. If all you guys are so smart and the broker makes all the money and screws the driver the shut up quit driving and start brokering and get rich that way. Thing about you guys is you really don't have a clue about the business side of the business but just driving. You need a good dispatcher that can NEGOTIATE the Freight YOU WANT.

All you guys that are struggling email me and we can see what we can do. How much does it costs per mile, when you are driving straight truck? I read through the majority of this thread, and having run the gamut of operations positions within the freight forwarding community, I am highly intrigued by all of your different perspectives.

I agree with all of the drivers that you are certainly getting the short end of the stick. As is a huge problem with our culture altogether, there is a lot of generalization going on. Yes, some brokers are taking advantage and paying the drivers less than they should to obtain a higher profit The only brokers that have full control over this issue, are those that truly work for themselves This company had several brokerage offices throughout the country.

Unfortunately, less than a year and a half into that role I was laid off along with nearly every single other individual with a similar role at the company as they decided to shut down all of the brokerage offices and centralize the function at corporate.

In my office, there were people booking and brokering loads. I was, and still am, honest; I was never trying to cheat anyone out of anything, I was simply trying to do a good job. Doing a good job meant the same thing it does everywhere else in corporate America, profit, and profit well. These were the loads I booked alone. The others in my office likely would have maintained similar numbers.

The overall problem, as someone else mentioned, is purely American GREED. Too many hands in the pot, taking what they can. Although a bit scary, I look forward to the challenge ahead. As a broker working for myself, I will have the power to be fair and avoid having to maximize profit for someone else. One of my goals will be to work directly with owner-operators as much as possible, building meaningful business relationships based on fairness and respect.

After all, this is their livelihood, their method for putting food on the table for their family members, and shelter over their heads. If you disagree, then who else can take control of the situation?

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